Learning Log Berlin – Tuesday

Learning Log

Name: Miloš Frelih
Date: 01/13/2015, Tuesday
Organisation: School Centre Kranj

1. Activity description (Summary of what was done that day)

• Visiting the classroom – full time students: IT Assistant
• Visiting the classroom – dual training system and integration and Linux
• IT training centers of Charite’s Clinic: AFIB Network – dual training and system integration
(Mr. Stephan Bavaria, Mrs. Teichmann)
• Cultural event: dinner and the Theatre

2. What did I learn from this activity? What insights did this new knowledge to give me and
Relation to school / organization, learner and employer?

• Full time students are engaged in WBL in one piece in the 3rd year (5th semester) for 8 weeks.
• Practical tasks and exams are organized at school
• Gain 2 qualifications: one for vocational education and a ticket to the university
• Students find their own company. School only helps so much as to give them a list of
• Teacher pays them one visit during WBL
• Practice at the company is not paid.
• Company does not receive any funds from the State for WBL
• Student writes a report at the practice for every day
• Individual competencies are not evaluated
• Participation in the WBL must be at least 70% – required by schools.
• If a student doesn’t show up at WBL, they notify the employer and the school.
• The company has a student evaluation form, including all estimates and a list of competencies
that the student has already learned.
• Students in WBL are faced with problems: inaccuracy, social problems, communication with
customers, …
• If the student is not satisfied with practice, it can be exchanged within 14 days
• Students have a positive attitude towards the WBL
• The schools have a project office and a project coordinator
• You make arrangements for international exchange (Erasmus);

Viewing IT training center at the Charite Clinic:
• Students come in September from several institutes, for example Max Planck, .. who are
members of the AFIP. We visited the 1st year students – the duals.
• In the first year the program is more theoretical and gives general computer education.
• It is estimated by Mrs. Teichmann, who is in charge of the class. Ratings are from 1 to 6, (1 is
• In the 2nd year students are distributed by institutes and public institutions. Work in the 2nd
year is project-oriented.
• International exchange is mandatory for them in the 2nd year. Schools are public institutions.
The state pays for the mentors to students.
• Students in first grade receive a € 650 salary, whilst in the third year € 850.
• Each student may carry out a European test of English language and attach it in the portfolio.
• During practice they gain certificates around € 10,000.
• One week in school and two weeks at the clinic. Instruction at the clinic runs from 8 to 16
hours, then it is necessary to work it out at home.

• After graduating only few employ in the clinic, while others with no problem get a job

3. How did I feel about what was presented to me? What did I find innovative?
What did I find difficult or challenging it or to understand and why?

• WBL for Full time students is similar in Slovenia;
• The employer tests students in 8 weeks during WBL and subsequently it is easier to decide if
he wanted to recruit anyone
• Students in WBL learn to see the work process, not learning as such.
• An interesting was FZS department at Charite Clinic; such departments in Slovenia do not exist
• Students in FZS section at the clinic are quite burdened, their skills after completion of
education are superior. It is easy for them to get a job. I find it interesting that they carry out
all the necessary certificate at the time of leaving.
• FZS students are keen to be successful.

4. What is working well and could be applied in my organization and why? How would you go
about doing this?

• Students are at an early stage of education well versed with the competencies and standards
of knowledge. This part is also used by us. Students and employers before going on WBL know
what skills to develop.
• The student must find his learning position in the company. Even when we encourage students
to find their own learning portal, it is still the responsibility of the school.
• It is a good point that students can replace the company if they’re not satisfied. In Slovenia you
can also replace the company. You can arrange for WBL in two companies if in this way
students obtain a number of different competencies.
• Student could alone or together with a mentor evaluate acquired competences, if there was a
list of competencies.

5. What definitely would not work in my organization and why?

• Implementation of elite education departments, such as the one at Charite Clinic with us so far
is not feasible. It would be necessary to integrate different institutions and major financing for
the provision of trainers, as well as classes within institutions where the training would take
place. It should also align the learning content. The biggest problem would be to provide funds
for the provision of certificates. In addition, the system should be dual, which is not the case.

Any Additional comments

Maybe training centers (such as the Charite Clinic) should take over inter-company training centers at educational centers. Funding should be looked for and providing teaching posts in enterprises for 2 and 3 year supply of WBL.
In interviews with the students I was surprised that they had to send a large number of requests before they get a learning position in the company.

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